Anyone have examples of really fast JSP sites? Trying to determine whether J2EE architecture is right or whether n-tier using different approaches is reasonable for a particular client.

Problem is, every JSP site (vault.com) or JHTML (fortune.com) site I visit seems to be dog slow.

Any examples of really high-performing sites? Much appreciated.

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http://www.nba.com
http://www.theserverside.com
http://www.jivesoftware.com/

Theres more but i can't think of any right now.

You have to remember that bandwidth, database types, traffic, server speed and memory all come into this too. The fact that some sites are slow is not always an indication of whether the scripting language used is slow or fast.